Through the telling of one couple's devastating story, Susie Ferguson lifted the lid on the grief suffered by the hundreds of Kiwi families who lose a baby each year. The veteran broadcaster reflects on helping break NZ's final taboo.

Horrified at witnessing multiple friends and co-workers grieve the loss of a baby, veteran RNZ broadcaster Susie Ferguson struggled to understand why it seemed to be something no one was talking about.

Her bewilderment led to The Unthinkable, an award-winning podcast series examining the intense anguish the death of a newborn causes, and why it remains a taboo topic in New Zealand despite affecting hundreds of families here every year.

In this conversation with broadcaster and media chaplain Rev Frank Ritchie, Susie reflects on making the series and the trauma of covering the Iraq War, and breaks down why she's stepping away from breakfast radio.

Go to this episode on rnz.co.nz for more details